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I thought he got a new costume because he outgrew the last one but it’s likely just your impression.That costume with the short jacket make his lanky legs look even longer.
I thought he got a new costume because he outgrew the last one but it’s likely just your impression.That costume with the short jacket make his lanky legs look even longer.
Great answer! I was shocked to see someone would say his skating skills are not in the same ballpark? I totally disagree. And he is young, he will only get better. And that is saying something, cause he's pretty darn good right now. Plus he has that "it" factor, imo.Somehow, the judges in the arena never see it the way the armchair judges at home do. So very odd.
If you want to complain about presentation/interpretation being less than, sure, I might give you that, but this PCS argument is always about the skating skills part of it and I'm just gonna posit the theory that perhaps his skating skills are quite good seeing as no one else in the world can land a 4a.
This is interesting. Can you tell me which document says GOE should be -5 when the element is invalid?
Page 9, it's the first thing on the page.
I mean, it could be both.I thought he got a new costume because he outgrew the last one but it’s likely just your impression.
But jumps are not skating skills. What is so hard about that to understand? Of course you have to be steady on your feet to generate the power and speed for a jump but this has nothing to do with the criteria for skating skills.Great answer! I was shocked to see someone would say his skating skills are not in the same ballpark? I totally disagree. And he is young, he will only get better. And that is saying something, cause he's pretty darn good right now. Plus he has that "it" factor, imo.
Or, they're Canadian and so am I... or they're coached by Karine Arribert and I'm French too!It factor usually means "he's American and so am I" on this board.
But jumps are not skating skills. What is so hard about that to understand? Of course you have to be steady on your feet to generate the power and speed for a jump but this has nothing to do with the criteria for skating skills.
I love Ilia since he was a junior but compared to Kagiyama for instance he has a long way to go before he has effortless glide on deep edges or good clarity on turns. And it factor is not a factor in skating skills.
. "And it factor is not a factor in skating skills." No.."spark" is..at least since Nagano..
My favorite skater has the "it" factor..He is Japanese..and I am an American...also..see Daisuke Takahashi..It factor usually means "he's American and so am I" on this board.
One can be lower down the food chain and have the "IT" factor..I could name a few OGMs w no it factor. Kurt Browning had the IT factor and no Olympic medal.I mean the thing about "it" factor is that it means nothing. Someone here could say I think skater A has "it" and I may look at skater A and think yeah if "it" is trash skating, but what they really mean is they think they are cute or have nice costumes or good music or whatever. It's just vibes which is fine, but it doesn't mean they are great skaters (this comment is not about Ilia but just in general).
The "it" factor is definitely subjective. But if judge thinks a skater has the "it" factor, they could be awarded in the presentation component. One of the subpoints of presentation is "Expressiveness and Projection," which is defined in part as:I mean the thing about "it" factor is that it means nothing. Someone here could say I think skater A has "it" and I may look at skater A and think yeah if "it" is trash skating, but what they really mean is they think they are cute or have nice costumes or good music or whatever. It's just vibes which is fine, but it doesn't mean they are great skaters (this comment is not about Ilia but just in general).
Confident presentation of one's body and energy to communicate a feeling.
Ability to capture the viewer, arouse emotions.
Generally, the "it" factor is about charisma. Sure, it's subjective. But if lots of people think a particular skater has it, then it's not just that the skater has nice costumes or you like their music this season. That's more when only 1 or 2 people think and the consensus is that they are nuts.I mean the thing about "it" factor is that it means nothing. Someone here could say I think skater A has "it" and I may look at skater A and think yeah if "it" is trash skating, but what they really mean is they think they are cute or have nice costumes or good music or whatever. It's just vibes which is fine, but it doesn't mean they are great skaters (this comment is not about Ilia but just in general).
Also complaining about Ilia's pcs doesn't mean people are saying he's a bad skater. Ilia has good skating skills and decent presentation. The problem is he's up against a group of skaters here that range from fantastic to probably the best ever skating skills and really amazing presentation, so it does look rougher in comparison. But like even he knows that and is trying to improve. At any rate this was a fab competition and I think I love every one of these skaters for different reasons.
I still remember the arguments long-time skating fans were giving how Patrick Chan's skating skills mark should be dropped down to the 4's or 5's or something outlandish because he 'fell two times' or made big mistakes, like the 2013 Worlds LP.Right, @tony is saying that Ilia should be in the 8s, which is fair and a very good PCS score, it's just that his competitors are outstanding and belong in the 9s. If tony was saying that Ilia deserves 4s, that would be wild, but he's not. Ilia's skating skills are very good, but they are not outstanding, so he should be lower than people who have outstanding skating skills. The judges should differentiate between very good and outstanding, but they often don't.
Like If someone said Nika Egadze has the IT factor...Generally, the "it" factor is about charisma. Sure, it's subjective. But if lots of people think a particular skater has it, then it's not just that the skater has nice costumes or you like their music this season. That's more when only 1 or 2 people think and the consensus is that they are nuts.