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carriecmu0503

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Debbie S said:
If you are indeed a judge, and you "know what you are not allowed to do", your posting history on this board sure is interesting.
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Thanks for the assumptions and thinly veiled threats. Do you feel better about yourself or more powerful now? You sound like a stalker. That’s creepy.
 
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This is an interesting article from Bunshun and posted by Ilia Malinin Daily, commenting on observations while in performance as well as how he has been using weights on his wrists and ankles to improve his skating skills. He also comments on his relationship with his parents and his friendships with the Japanese skaters despite the language barrier, quints and next year's rule changes.

 
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sk9tingfan said:
This is an interesting article from Bunshun and posted by Ilia Malinin Daily, commenting on observations while in performance as well as how he has been using weights on his wrists and ankles to improve his skating skills. He also comments on his relationship with his parents and his friendships with the Japanese skaters despite the language barrier, quints and next year's rule changes.

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Can you post the link to the article for those of us not on Twitter? I can click through but only see the pulled quote.
 
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Any objections here if I bump up an older (relevant) thread in GSD for posting Ilia news? (so this thread won’t be overrun with “just Ilia” and keeping Ilia’s fan thread for his fans)
 
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Sylvia said:
Any objections here if I bump up an older (relevant) thread in GSD for posting Ilia news? (so this thread won’t be overrun with “just Ilia” and keeping Ilia’s fan thread for his fans)
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I double-posted this one.
 
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ISP as of today (40 men) - 2023-24 Grand Prix Final//U.S. Sectionals qualifying/YOG/Nationals/ISU Championships placements included below:

William Annis E-S1/S16
Ryan Azadpour P-N2/J19
Patrick Blackwell E-J(wd)
Lucas Broussard S-wd
Nicholas Brooks P-J1/J5
Jason Brown S2/W5
Lorenzo Elano M-J4/J6
Goku Endo P-S1/S10
Sergei Evseev P-J2/J8
Caleb Farrington E-N1/J11
Aleksandr Fegan E-J3/J3
Kirk Haugeto E-J2/J7
Tomoki Hiwatashi M-S1/S8/4CC11
Liam Kapeikis S13
Lucius Kazanecki E-J1/J1
Joseph Klein M-S2/S17
Kai Kovar P-S3/S11
Alexander Liu M-J5
Zachary LoPinto E-J5
Alvin Luu M-N3/J18
Jimmy Ma S6
Ilia Malinin GPF1/S1/W1
Daniel Martynov S9/JW13
Antonio Monaco M-J3/J15
Daniil Murzin P-S6
Maxim Naumov S4/4CC12
Nhat-Viet Nguyen M-J(dnc)
Yaroslav Paniot P-S2/S7
Camden Pulkinen S3/W20
Marlo Rosen M-N1/J14
Ryedin Rudedenmen M-N2/J16
Jacob Sanchez YOG4/JW10
Jared Sedlis E-J4/J10
Taira Shinohara M-J1/J2
Beck Strommer M-J2/J4
Alek Tankovic E-N2/J17
Andrew Torgashev S5/4CC8
Vaclav Vasquez P-J3/J9
Michael Xie P-S4/S14
Maxim Zharkov M-S(wd after SP)
 
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carriecmu0503 said:
I don’t know how it is in other countries, but in the United States, judges are not allowed to tell skaters specifics of what they need to focus on, like skating skills. If they’re in a formal critique, you can give observations of why you may have given the skating skills mark you gave, but you can’t tell them what they need to do to get higher marks.
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Maybe it's different in synchro, but I've litterally attended USFS sanctioned critiques and USFS mandated monitoring sessions where they told us just that. "You need to work on your speed." "Your crossovers are bad." "I'd like to see more range of expression." As a coach I got feedback at competitions - feedback USFS allowed us to pay extra for. Stuff like "add this feature into your program to add more difficulty" or "I want to see better synchronization."

This is outside of Champs Camp and cases where I've seen USFS send judges to teams to give advice for international success. Heck, some synchro judges coach teams themselves (I had one as a coach at one point). Are you saying they're not allowed to coach or choreograph their own team for success? And while I think it's completely unfair that East/Midwest teams have judges on call for them at every step of the way as opposed to the West Coast teams, they do have them. My coaches would send every major change to a judge to make sure it was okay.

So idk what rules you're reading, but I'm 1000% sure Ilia's gotten this feedback from actual judges. And I'm also 1000% sure nearly all your fellow judges would be banned.
 
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Maybe it's different in synchro, but I've litterally attended USFS sanctioned critiques and USFS mandated monitoring sessions where they told us just that. "You need to work on your speed." "Your crossovers are bad." "I'd like to see more range of expression." As a coach I got feedback at competitions - feedback USFS allowed us to pay extra for. Stuff like "add this feature into your program to add more difficulty" or "I want to see better synchronization."

This is outside of Champs Camp and cases where I've seen USFS send judges to teams to give advice for international success. Heck, some synchro judges coach teams themselves (I had one as a coach at one point). Are you saying they're not allowed to coach or choreograph their own team for success? And while I think it's completely unfair that East/Midwest teams have judges on call for them at every step of the way as opposed to the West Coast teams, they do have them. My coaches would send every major change to a judge to make sure it was okay.

So idk what rules you're reading, but I'm 1000% sure Ilia's gotten this feedback from actual judges. And I'm also 1000% sure nearly all your fellow judges would be banned.
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In the US, it is 100% not allowed for competition judges to coach. Heck, it’s only been a year or two that coaches have been allowed to get an appointment to judge tests. Even then, you are not, under any circumstances, allowed to judge the test of a skater you coach, or have coached in the past year.
 
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carriecmu0503 said:
In the US, it is 100% not allowed for competition judges to coach. Heck, it’s only been a year or two that coaches have been allowed to get an appointment to judge tests. Even then, you are not, under any circumstances, allowed to judge the test of a skater you coach, or have coached in the past year.
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Listen we know for a FACT that Ilia has received feedback from US judges. He told us this himself after the SP at the GPF when he did the 4a as the solo quad/triple. Point blank he said they had consulted with ISU/International judges about the legality of adding that jump to his SP.

Additionally, Christina Carreira stated prior to Worlds in the mixed zone that her RD costume change from the all-black dress she had in the fall was because the judges TOLD her she needed to lose the all-black look.

Maybe there are different things allowed by the USFS for its judges who have passed the ISU tests as International or ISU level judges, or as Tech Controllers/Specialists. What I will say is that many skaters have made it abundantly clear over the years that they do seek out and receive feedback from judges.
 
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carriecmu0503 said:
In the US, it is 100% not allowed for competition judges to coach. Heck, it’s only been a year or two that coaches have been allowed to get an appointment to judge tests. Even then, you are not, under any circumstances, allowed to judge the test of a skater you coach, or have coached in the past year.
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Judging a test is not the same as advising a skater about which step sequences would score better.
 
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just tuned in said:
Judging a test is not the same as advising a skater about which step sequences would score better.
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Did you see what I highlighted in bold from the previous poster’s response? That person clearly stated they know synchro judges who coach their own teams! You cannot do that in the US and I highly doubt it’s allowed in any other country. There’s no way you can objectively judge a competition when you’re coaching teams as well.

Even in formal critiques, we’re allowed to tell skaters why we personally gave the mark we gave on certain elements. We can give observations about that element. We cannot say “do this or do that, and you’ll get higher marks.” You can never guarantee how another judge will judge an element. We can give our own personal observations if it is a formal critique the skater signed up for at a competition. Outside of those formal critiques, we cannot give any sort of feedback. At champs camp or monitoring events, it’s only a select handful of ISU championship judges who may be giving feedback. That is like .1% of the number of judges in the US. All of these guidelines are public in the USFS rulebook.
 
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carriecmu0503 said:
Did you see what I highlighted in bold from the previous poster’s response?
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Did you see the posts that started this discussion? We are not talking about tests or who placed 5th vs 6th at Random Club X Comp. Not that tests and club comps aren't important at the grassroots level, but that's not what this board is about. We are talking about the 0.1% of judges and the 0.1% of skaters. As skaters themselves have noted in interviews/press confs, they receive feedback from judges all the time. The judges are not only allowed to give that feedback, they are expected to, why else are they invited to Champs Camp to critique the skaters.

Obviously, the skaters and coaches recognize that simply improving their skating skills or changing their costume isn't going to guarantee them a world championship. This is sport, and a subjective one at that. But if a top U.S. judge or official tells them 'the judges like your jumps but prefer the skating skills of the Japanese men', it's a pretty sure thing they're going to be working on skating skills.

And as a longtime club volunteer and adult skater, I'm very familiar with the rules on tests and comps.
 
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Debbie S said:
Did you see the posts that started this discussion? We are not talking about tests or who placed 5th vs 6th at Random Club X Comp. Not that tests and club comps aren't important at the grassroots level, but that's not what this board is about. We are talking about the 0.1% of judges and the 0.1% of skaters. As skaters themselves have noted in interviews/press confs, they receive feedback from judges all the time. The judges are not only allowed to give that feedback, they are expected to, why else are they invited to Champs Camp to critique the skaters.

Obviously, the skaters and coaches recognize that simply improving their skating skills or changing their costume isn't going to guarantee them a world championship. This is sport, and a subjective one at that. But if a top U.S. judge or official tells them 'the judges like your jumps but prefer the skating skills of the Japanese men', it's a pretty sure thing they're going to be working on skating skills.

And as a longtime club volunteer and adult skater, I'm very familiar with the rules on tests and comps.
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It is almost not worth the air anymore. YES, top international skaters get feedback from top ISU championship judges at Champs Camp and monitoring sessions. NO, the judges cannot speak for other judges or do the job of the coach. No judge can speak for another judge.

Giving feedback such as "the judges like your jumps but prefer the skating skills of the Japanese men" would be totally inappropriate and against the judges creed to keep your own council. Further, feedback of that type is gossipy and hearsay.
 
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Just checked post #1 of this thread and the 4 men listed in this past season's ISP but not listed this year are:

Joonsoo Kim - started Johns Hopkins medical school last fall :)
Samuel Mindra P-S5/S15 - had a tough year with injuries :( & hopefully he will come back stronger & more consistent next season
Jonathan Hildebrandt - did not compete after Aug. 2023 Cranberry Cup International in Junior, presumably due to injury?
Robert Yampolsky - did not compete to focus on college?

A very belated thanks for posting this article @Vagabond in this thread back on Jan. 22, 2024! :)
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Article profiling Ryan William Azadpour, Samuel Mindra, and Michael Xie
www.opb.org

Young skaters putting Oregon back on international figure skating map

Ryan William Azadpour, Samuel Mindra and Michael Xie, all trained in Sherwood, Oregon, will compete at national figure skating championships this week.
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The page includes the audio from the radio broadcast.
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axisoniceofficial posted another fun highlights video after Columbus Nationals: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C284JcBLBRS/
 
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carriecmu0503 said:
In the US, it is 100% not allowed for competition judges to coach. Heck, it’s only been a year or two that coaches have been allowed to get an appointment to judge tests. Even then, you are not, under any circumstances, allowed to judge the test of a skater you coach, or have coached in the past year.
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Then what say you about Team Del Sol - which has famously been coached by one of the US's top synchro officials for 20+ years? Or my college coach - who was a tech specialist in competitions her teams competed in (albeit not for their divisions)? Or my ice dance coach - who judges lower level singles/ice dancers? Your claim is easily disproven.

Of course it isn't nearly as common in singles as in synchro, but it's obviously not banned.
 
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Then what say you about Team Del Sol - which has famously been coached by one of the US's top synchro officials for 20+ years? Or my college coach - who was a tech specialist in competitions her teams competed in (albeit not for their divisions)? Or my ice dance coach - who judges lower level singles/ice dancers? Your claim is easily disproven.

Of course it isn't nearly as common in singles as in synchro, but it's obviously not banned.
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Tech specialists are not judges, genius. The Team Del Sol coach is a tech specialist, NOT a judge! Tech specialists have always been allowed to coach! Beyond that, there are always judges who blatantly do things that are explicitly against the USFS rulebook. It doesn’t mean it’s allowed just because somebody does it. Perhaps actually know what you are talking about before posting something so know-it-all and telling me I am "easily disproven?"
 
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For fans of David Shapiro who live in the Minneapolis area :):
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David Shapiro (https://www.instagram.com/david_shap_) will perform in the Friday and Saturday, April 26-27, 7:15 pm shows in Coon Rapids, Minnesota (but not in the Thursday 4/25 show) - info & tickets: https://www.coonrapidsmn.gov/1027/Ice-Show

Another link: https://www.coonrapidsmn.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=4089
"Tickets are $12 for adults and $7 for children (kids under age 4 are free)."
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oh my gosh has anybody here ever heard of David Shapiro? In this first video, the spin he does at the end I would like to see him and Jason do this side by side

and the two minute 15 second mark in the second video

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The Unknown Most flexible [FIGURE SKATER] DAVID SHAPIRO Amazing BALLETIC American Figure Skater

Gifted with extraordinary skating flexibility as well as an artistic talent of incredible beauty, american figure skater David Shapiro saw his future tumbled...
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âMercyâ - David Shapiro performs at Patriot Ice Center (2023)

US Skater David Shapiro performs his exhibition piece to @maxrichtermusic's "Mercy", at the Patriot Figure Skating Club's 2nd Annual Ice Show in May 2023.The...
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ETA that David's latest Insta story clip shows him landing a 2A that he captioned "Missed this feeling😊"
 
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Willin said:
Maybe it's different in synchro, but I've litterally attended USFS sanctioned critiques and USFS mandated monitoring sessions where they told us just that. "You need to work on your speed." "Your crossovers are bad." "I'd like to see more range of expression." As a coach I got feedback at competitions - feedback USFS allowed us to pay extra for. Stuff like "add this feature into your program to add more difficulty" or "I want to see better synchronization."

This is outside of Champs Camp and cases where I've seen USFS send judges to teams to give advice for international success. Heck, some synchro judges coach teams themselves (I had one as a coach at one point). Are you saying they're not allowed to coach or choreograph their own team for success? And while I think it's completely unfair that East/Midwest teams have judges on call for them at every step of the way as opposed to the West Coast teams, they do have them. My coaches would send every major change to a judge to make sure it was okay.

So idk what rules you're reading, but I'm 1000% sure Ilia's gotten this feedback from actual judges. And I'm also 1000% sure nearly all your fellow judges would be banned.
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From your other posts, you CLEARLY don't know that members of the tech panel are NOT judges. If you don't know something that basic, why are you representing yourself as a know-it-all?
 
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